screw this hagwon i'm going to Japan soon. It's a certain hagwon in Daejeon in wolpyongdong.

Please allow the door to hit your @$$ on the way out .

-Allison

고마워 나쁜 여자

btw I loved my stay in Korea, but if you defend hagwons here then you are a moron

Topic title sounds somewhat offensive although very very minor.

A better title would have been "screw Korean hakwons im going to Japanese hakwons(whatever the hell they call them in Japan).

you mean 이쁜 여자

Nevermind, I misunderstood your topic.

jokes are always great

If you want to work in private education and don't mind finding your own accomodation Japan is much better. For public education, however, Korea has far more great jobs to offer than Japan (they also have some crappy ones, but few on par with the general farce that is the ALT role in Japan). If you're thinking of working for a NOVA chain be very careful, as the whole company's on the verge of going under.

What is it about your hagwon that has you feeling down so much?

well i've heard that the teachers beat kids there

Really?? Where did you hear that from? Do you live in that area? Did you read an article somewhere? Was anyone arrested for it? Please, do tell!

hey you are the one who responded to teachers that molest their students in korea,
its a well known fact that foreigners engage in enticing and violating students in korea
are you covering for these criminals?

Would you care to show us a single documented case of it? The only one I'm aware of involved a Gyopo at an 'English Town'.

well judging from the closed molestation thread, it is painfully obvious that there are creep teachers out there
that are taking advantage of these kids, its either that or
some korean girls are promiscuous enough to entice sex from teachers.
which one is it? guilty white man or slutty korean student?

and we should give a flying fu-k, why?

ㅋㅋㅋ 왜그래? 선생한테 맞았냐?

나도 기억난다.. "엎드려 뻗쳐 새캬!" ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

일본은 더 나을거라 생각하진마, 나도 가쿠엔다녀봐서알아

Judging from an anonymous email that someone discovered? Again, the only documented evidence I've ever come across involved a Gyopo at Seongnam English Town. Do you care to show us any real evidence?

At any rate, all the hysteria over foreigners because of a dubious email is quite something for a country in which a high school student marrying her teacher is considered a cute plot for a movie, and in which a female teacher groping her students' breasts or poking a girl's breasts with her whacking stick to see if they're real is considererd appropriate material in mainstream films. Perhaps the Gyopo at Seongnam got his ideas from watching 여선생 vs 여제자.

so are you saying that this type of behavior is brought upon only by korean society?
and that it is embedded into the korean psyche that it is acceptable for a teacher to violate a young mind,
furthermore you seem to be questioning solid evidence through emails and online chat forums exposing creepy teachers.
it seems like you might as well say that the korean media itself is promoting such inappropriate behavior.
we all know that korean girls are submissive and can easily be taken advantage of.
and that if a rape or molestation does occur, they will probably shut their mouths and hide this fact for the rest of their lives in fear of being ostracized by the korean community.
those teachers are just playing to this fact, why else would they choose to teach in a foreign country like korea?
these perverts are only hiding the fact that their 'teaching' jobs are a cover for their real motive of sexual exploitation of young korean girls and boys.

screw korea because of a hagwon

Well I think that Korean society as a whole is much too tolerant of certain things that may be perceived as 'innocent' over here when in fact they could be far from innocent - most notably teachers touching students of the same sex inappropriately (by western standards), teachers of both sexes touching elementary school boys and girls inappropriately (most notably bum-patting), teachers thinking getting ddong-chimmed is cute, and teachers actually encouraging high school crushes on teachers. At my friend's high school two teachers got married to former students. They only developed public relationships after they graduated, of course, but it sure makes you wonder what the teachers were thinking or, worse yet, doing all along. I can see how a foreigner (or Korean) with malicious intent might jump at the chance to exploit the prevailing sense of innocence about such matters.

In any even your statement is absurd. Evidence gathered from anaonymous emails and online chat forums is by nature faulty and never on the whole 'solid'.

Poor baby. Jealous of the gyopos, are you?

Lame topic.

fu-k off, we do not need people like you, as if its a big deal wether you are leaving or not, nobody is interested in you, you are not so famous here anyway, its not like anyone will be shocked and saddened by this news. can you stop thinking that you are so almighty? tsk tsk tsk, people like you who want to be the center of attention

1. hahaha - solid evidence?? hahahha... oH wait, you're serious? Um, nah, you can't be. No one is that ignoratn.
2.The Korean media (and many others around the world) get their ratings from sensational headlines. That "video" was not a real new report.
3. hahahahahahahahaha - you've obviously never been married to one!
4. Money. Travel, ect...

Fact of the matter is that theres plenty of money to be made all over the world
and that traveling is just that: World traveling & exploring different countries' lands and cultures.
real cultural interest does not warrant lengthy stays in korea.
Admit it, a lot of 'teachers' are just in denial; Whats the real reason they are in korea?
Is it because they feel like rejects back in the states because of their perverse needs?
Is it because they know they will get caught in the US whereas it'd be easier to get away with it in korea?
or is it that they chose to stay in korea to exploit mentally weaker koreans?
Teachers in korea are no better than the average sex tourist.
I bet most of them try to convince themselves before they even went abroad that:"yes, I'll be helping those poor koreans, and at the same time 'learn' more about their Asian culture", "yes, learning all about korea and koreans is what I wanted to do my whole life".
While harboring deep lust for korean girls and boys. Oh just so happens that while 'teaching', they end up sleeping with and marrying students and former students, respectively. I ask you, can this all be coincidence?

this is the most perverse post i have ever read in AF.

korea try to sort out qualified teachers by checking academic credentials. however, there is no way to check criminal background because of privacy laws. western society definitly r over sexed everywhere. korea is no exception. attitude adjustment has to start from societal level, not teacher/ student. althought tough laws do help.

Hang-on, that's alot of generalization. Please, you seem like an intelligent person. Don't give yourself in to such ignorant speculation.
My wife is Korean. I have two beautiful daughters and a third child on the way. I would personally love to live in Korea for a few years, possibly teaching English. Through my wife I have developed a genuine interest and love of Korea. And it would be wonderful for my children to grow up there( for a period at least) and experience that part of their cultural background.
Are you saying if I get job teaching in Korea it should automatically be assumed I'm some sort of sexual pervert.

This reasoning is directed at 'teachers' that actually go their first without any family or friends under pretenses that they are doing good for the world. It is also for guys that stay there for a long long time in order to assimilate into korean society.
Lets be real, a white guy will never assimilate fully into an Asian culture, its just how things are.
Which leaves us to question why they are really there and for such a lengthy period. Although they may be able to work in many different places other than a submissive country like korea, why then do they choose to stay there? Do these 'teachers' have such a huge ego as to think that koreans will be fooled by their false altruism? or are korean people just that naive?

Actually I knew very little about Korea before I came over, apart from the fact that a recruiter could get me a free flight and job asap. My initial plan was to stay just for one year and split after saving up a bit of money. My first four or five months here I made no attempts to learn the language - I didn't even know the words for cigarette and ashtray even though I smoke - and hung out mostly with other foriegners. However two things started to happen. First, I really began to take an interest in Korea and education here; and secondly, I really started to hate my first boss and first job. Realising what great opportunities there are here, I managed to get myself out of my first contract (and make my first boss really lose face, thanks in no small part to my wonderful, helpful Korean friends) and get a job I really love. Yes, Korea has it's frustrations like anywhere else, but I've never had co-workers I like so much and the students, well 95% of them, are great, too, even if they do drive me up the wall sometimes. The money and holidays aren't bad, either.

So that's why I'm still in Korea and have no plans to live anywhere else for the foreseeable future. I was really tempted just to say 'fu-k this place' after 4 or 5 months at my first job, and give Japan or Taiwan a try, but now I'm so happy I stayed with Korea.

BTW, your bizarre obsession with people 'exploiting' what you call 'mentally weaker koreans' is both racist and creepy.

theres no need to go to korea and stay when you can certainly make more money elsewhere,
not everyone is like you who fell in love with korea after being there for so long,
most people go to korea not for the money as it can be made elswhere,
many 'teachers' are using their teaching resume as a tool for getting closer to what they really want.
I for one cannot fathom being away from my home country for such a long time, unless there is another motive to do so.

Hehe, you sound just like Koreans who ask me 'aren't you homesick?'. No, I'm not. Canada's a nice place to visit but I have no desire to live there in the foreseeable future. Perhaps I could find a job making more there but unless I struck it rich buying property at the right time I highly doubt I could save as much as I can here. I could probably save just as much in Japan or Taiwan, but most of the teaching jobs there don't look appealing and why would I want to move and start from scratch again when I'm happy here?

What about 1/3 of English teachers here who are female and 10-15% of guys who come over here with a woman as a couple? Are they also degenerates looking to exploit?

At any rate you really need to chill out. Perhaps you could take a holiday to Vancouver and go smoke some joints will all the Korean students over there.

Why would you say that. I'm married to a Korean woman, and i'm Canadian. I've been to Korea 3 times and I would love to live there. My wife is the one who doesn't really want to go back to live. I want to bring our son there so he can meet my family there and learn about Korea. I teach English here and so does my wife. Why shouldn't I be able to go back to Korea and teach English?? I want to earn money just like everyone else in the world. What is wrong with you?? you obviously have some issues you should check out. You say that we are no better than the average sex tourist? what the hell is wrong with you? where do you come up with this kind of crap? also you said... "Lets be real, a white guy will never assimilate fully into an Asian culture, its just how things are" what the hell is that? I swear i'm so sick and tired of people like you. Who do you think you are to make statements like that?? Why can't I go to Korea to teach English to make money and take care of my family because I can? should i go work as a dishwasher or what? but then maybe "us" English dishwashers just want to make it with the waitresses....

There's some definite resentment about people who are able enjoy a really good life in Korea from those who can't - I've noticed that on this forum more than anything else.

Anyhow, Happy Chuseok!

So emails and chat room transcripts are credible sources of info in lalaland? Just another ase of Korean journalisms geting ahold of some (perhaps inaccurate) information and blowing it out of proportion.

Koreans are't all nice guys either. I've seen a few freaky waeg@@ks in Korea...I've seen more freaky Koreans.

Got any evidence? Credible? Other that the netizen's word?

well, i agree and disagree. my girlfriend is korean so if i lived in korea and taught english it would be to be with her, similar to you...


if someone goes to to korea to teach english, and they are searching for sex, then they will not waste 2-4 years in college working up to teach and have sex, imo. but i will say that some cheap people do go to korea, teach english with no certification or fake, (just finish high school or not even that), and go their to have sex. usually those people get weeded out, from what i have read. i suspect someone like that, my girlfriend has a friend on myspace, who teaches english, he is like 31 and moves from korea, to japan, to china, to all over asian basically teaching english. prob he gets kicked out for fake certification and just wants sex. i think people take those advantages and lies should be hung. its overly immoral and inhumane, esp with young people. i would be tempted not to beat down or worse someone that came on to someone i loved with such evil intentions

I apologize to anyone who misunderstood my topic. It was just one hagwon but that's not going to let me down on Korea.



I would also like to apologize to the retarded community.



I am down more on the owner. She was kind of inexperienced and struggling when she finally inherited the reins of management so as a result, the experienced teachers left as soon as they could. I stuck around, however, believing that her 'good heart' would overcome any business difficulties.

But then I was told that I would have to move into her apartment for a few months. Later, we had a spat over my overtime hours, and taxes. Basically I felt that I was getting the cold shoulder, but I tried to attribute it to her management difficulties.

So I ended up staying for the whole year, and I even renewed my contract when she made me head teacher, and I believed that I could look past everything and make a difference for her school.

So for the next few months things were o.k., untill I had my vacation, which I didn't have after I immediately finished my first contract, and I also used my own money to pay for the airfare.

Just a couple of days after I returned, she fired me on the basis of a 'weird drawing' in class.

without going into detail, to her the drawing was strange, but even after I tried to tell her it was not my intention for the drawing to appear that way, she wouldn't listen. I think a big reason why she let me go was because she was hiring an entertainer to teach english for less than half of what I was making while I was gone. Kind of ironic, but she was Filipino.

She even wouldn't pay for my return airfare, and I had to speak to the people in Labor for her to give me my severence and my airfare money.

Anyway, if I work at another hagwon, I will look at the owner's business acumen before her 'good heart', which might not be a 'good heart' anyway.

Making up an excuse to fire someone - that's a pretty familiar story in Korea when it comes to failing businesses. At any rate she probably did you both a favour in the long run. Trying to work for a Korean business that's going under is about as frustrating as being a one-legged man in an @$$-kicking contest. Better luck in Japan!