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purnomor
THE REINKING FAMILY PICTORIAL HISTORY IN INDONESIA

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Leendert Reinking immigrated to Indonesia from Netherlands in 1880 as supervisor to Kalipantjing tobacco plantation in Loemadjang - East Java. His father was a German, Cord Heinrich Wilhelm, and his mother was a Rotterdamer, Maria Loos.

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The Nio Nio, a Chinese-Javanese living in Soerabaia, in an 1860 photograph. She had four daughters and one son from her concubinage with a Dutchman.

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One of The Nio Nio's daughters, Anna Klasina Hillegonda, fell in love and married young Leendert Reinking in 1884.

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Leendert and Anna Reinking had five children, the oldest of which is Hendrik Willem Reinking (1885-1945), standing at the centre in this 1899 photograph. He studied as pharmacist, but ended-up working in his father's tobacco plantation.

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In 1906, 21-year-old Hendrik married Sarah "Saartje" Everdina Maria Smit, daughter of prominent Dutch settler in Soerabaia.

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The Smit family of Soerabaia in 1918.

THE BOUWMAN FAMILY PICTORIAL HISTORY IN INDONESIA

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Berend Bouwman immigrated from Netherlands to Soemenep, Madoera, East Java in 1899. He became schoolmaster and married daughter of Dutch settler family in Soerabaia, Esther Wills. They had one daughter Annie and one son Henk. Here they posed in 1911 at their Soemenep home.

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Berend Bouwman (back row, third from left) with his students at Soemenep primary school, in a photograph dated 21 December 1909.

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The Bouwman family in 1920 at their Soerabaia home, where Berend Bouwman had been transferred.

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Annie and Henk Bouwman in 1929, aged 23 and 21, the stylish youths of the Roaring Twenties.
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BACK TO THE REINKINGS...

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By 1912, Saartje Reinking had three daughters with Hendrik, they are Ans, Doortje, and Riekje shown left to right in this photograph by famous Soerabaian photographer of Armenian descent O Kurkdjian.

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A lateborn son, Hendrik Willem, was born in 1924.

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The Reinkings moved to Malang, where they lived in this comfortable house at Bromostraat 32.

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Riekje, Doortje, and Ans Reinking in 1917

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The Reinking sisters in 1926.

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Riekje Reinking with her highschool classmates from Nassauschool at Van Riebeecklaan in Soerabaia (now SMU Kristen Petra at Jalan WR Supratman) in 1926.

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Reinking sisters with family members from Netherlands at Scheveningen beach in 1930. All three sister went to study at universities in The Netherlands. Ans studied music in Utrecht and became concert pianist, Doortje studied pedagogy in Utrecht become an English and mathematics teacher, while Riekje studied chemistry in The Hague and became a chemical analyst.

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The Reinking sisters in 1936, after their return to Indonesia from their studies in The Netherlands.

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Ans and Doortje Reinking holidaying with friends to Selecta Resort in Batoe - East Java in 1934.

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Riekje Reinking with her husband, Frans Stammerik, and son Jules Stammerik, holidaying at Mount Bromo in 1940.
Grandmaster C
interesting topic. gonna read it all when i got the time for it icon_smile.gif

QUOTE(purnomor @ Dec 18 2006, 11:35 AM) [snapback]2579868[/snapback]

THE REINKING FAMILY PICTORIAL HISTORY IN INDONESIA
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The Nio Nio, a Chinese-Javanese living in Soerabaia, in an 1860 photograph. She had four daughters and one son from her concubinage with a Dutchman.

holy excrement...
this woman instantly reminded me of my great-grandmother.
but the funny thing is, her name!
for my mother's family name is The too!
her full name is The Liang Nio.
she's gotta see this...
XxRyoChanxX
wow! those are interesting..post more please...

the names of the girls.. are like my grandmothers name..LOL

purnomor
FAMOUS COLONIAL HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS

Maison Bogerijen (Bandoeng - West Java)

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The most famous restaurant in colonial Bandoeng, Maison Bogerijen with its owners and entire staff in 1928. Maison Bogerijen, displaying its services in French as cuisinier (restaurant), confisseur (candy-maker), patissier (bakery), and glacier (ice-creamery), opened its doors in 1920 on the exclusive shopping avenue Bragastraat, to cater for the growing number of white settlers moving to Bandoeng. White customers flocked to this restaurant everyday to taste the famous Koningin Emma Taart (Queen Emma Cake) and Koningin Wilhelmina Taart (Queen Wilhelmina Cake). Today, the site is occupied by Restoran Braga Permai, still well-known for its cakes.





tangawizi
QUOTE(Grandmaster C @ Dec 19 2006, 05:30 AM) [snapback]2581419[/snapback]

interesting topic. gonna read it all when i got the time for it icon_smile.gif
holy excrement...
this woman instantly reminded me of my great-grandmother.
but the funny thing is, her name!
for my mother's family name is The too!
her full name is The Liang Nio.
she's gotta see this...


The Nio Nio? You mean the 'The' is a surname? I had thought it juz meant the 'Nio Nio'.

Neo is a very common peranakan (chinese-malay) name in SG too. I think it means 'girl'. confused.gif

QUOTE(XxRyoChanxX @ Dec 19 2006, 05:52 AM) [snapback]2581469[/snapback]

wow! those are interesting..post more please...

the names of the girls.. are like my grandmothers name..LOL


Is your granny mixed chinese and indo, ryo?

My gran dressed like that too, in kebaya. She was the first wife. My granddad had a concubine! biggrin.gif
purnomor
Hotel des Indes (Batavia, now Jakarta)

The most famous hotel of the Dutch East Indies, Hotel des Indes started life in 1829 when French immigrant Surleon Antoine Chaulan purchased a lot of land on Molenvliet West (now Jalan Gajah Mada) and built a hotel called Hotel de Provence after the French region where Chaulan was born. In 1845, the hotel was passed on his son, Etienne Chaulan. During the 1840s, Hotel de Provence was famous for being the first hotel to offer ice, purchased from passing American whaling ships.

In 1852, Etienne Chaulan sold the hotel to one of his Swiss employee, François Auguste Emile Wijss for 40,000 guilders. He changed the name of the hotel, first to Hotel Rotterdam, then on 1856 at the suggestion of the famous Dutch author Douwes Dekker aka "Multatuli", Wijss re-named the hotel into Hotel des Indes.

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In 1860, Wijss sold Hotel des Indes to a French immigrant, Louis George Cressonnier. Cressonnier pioneeringly hired local Batavian photographers Woodbury & Page to take the above photograph in 1870 to advertise his hotel, the first use of photography for advertising in Indonesia.

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After Louis Cressonnier died of an opium overdose in 1871, his family ran the hotel until it was sold to Theodoor Louis Gallas, who then sold it for 177,000 guilders to a former Dutch soldier Jacob Lugt. Lugt purchased neighbouring lands, greatly increasing the hotel grounds to 6.5 hectares, including a famous hundred-year-old banyan tree above that still stands today on a street median (although recently damaged by mob of axe-wielding Muslim youths who feared the tree might be the object of spirit worshipping).

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In 1897, Lugt established a limited-liability firm, NV (Naamloose Vennootschap) Hotel des Indes, who issued shares of ownership to the general public. Lugt himself became bankrupt due to the recession of 1894 and was forced to sell his share in the hotel. Above is an NV Hotel des Indes 500 guilder share issued in 1937.

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Under the management of JM Gantvoort (1903-1911) and R Nieuwenhuijs (1911-1924), the hotel reached the peak of its performance, becoming one of the best-known hotels in Southeast Asia, and its dividends were paid at a peak rate of 25% in 1918. Above is the modern office of Hotel des Indes in 1910.

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The hotel building was also rebuilt to suit the modern architectural style. The main building above, finished in 1920, became icon of Batavia for the next decades. Amongst its guests were Charlie Chaplin, Amelia Earhart, and Georges Clemenceau.

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Grand rijsttafel (rice table), an Indonesian food speciality of the hotel restaurant, served by dozens of servants in this 1935 occasion.

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Series of English-language advertisement brochures for Hotel des Indes issued in 1918.
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In 1935, the famous Dutch actress Fie Carelsen ate rijsttafel in Hotel des Indes' restaurant, accompanied by admirers Messrs. Pugh and Herman Salomonson.

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At Christmas time, Santa Claus aka Sinterklaas aka Sint Nicholas arrived from North Pole with Zwaarte Piet to deliver Christmas gifts to the hotel management.

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The Hotel des Indes lunchtime buffet, darling of Batavia's white population.

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Hotel des Indes Carnaval

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Hotel des Indes was taken-over as living quarters for generals during Japanese occupation. It housed Japanese PM General Hideki Tojo during his 1943 visit to Indonesia. During the war of independence, the dining saloon of the hotel became the venue of important Roem-Royen Conference of 1949 (above picture).

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After independence, Hotel des Indes remained as the premier hotel of Djakarta, hosting such events as the visit of famous American actor John Wayne in 1958. The hotel was also the social centre of Djakarta's significant remaining white population. Hotel des Indes began to lost its prominence with opening of Hotel Indonesia in 1962.

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Hotel des Indes menu signed by John Wayne and famous American wrestler Ricky Waldo.

In 1960, all the Dutch staff and management of Hotel des Indes was expelled from Indonesia, and the hotel was nationalised and taken-over by Indonesian government. It was renamed Hotel Duta Indonesia (HDI), so that the HDI (Hotel des Indes)-branded cutlery and plates can still be used. In 1971, after years of poor performance due to increasing competition, Hotel des Indes was closed. The historical hotel was sold to Vice-President Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono IX, who demolished the hotel and build the Duta Merlin Shopping Centre on its site.

http://www.engelfriet.net/Alie/Hans/desindes.htm
purnomor
QUOTE(Grandmaster C @ Dec 18 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]2581419[/snapback]

interesting topic. gonna read it all when i got the time for it icon_smile.gif
holy excrement...
this woman instantly reminded me of my great-grandmother.
but the funny thing is, her name!
for my mother's family name is The too!
her full name is The Liang Nio.
she's gotta see this...


Yeap, do check it..

Who knows you have blood relations with the Bouwman family
purnomor
MORE HOTEL DES INDES

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Hotel des Indes on Molenvliet West (Jalan Gajah Mada), 1863

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Hotel des Indes horse-drawn cab service, 1873

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Hotel des Indes, 1925

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Hotel des Indes at nighttime, 1934

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Hotel des Indes / Hotel Duta Indonesia, 1957

XxRyoChanxX
http://www.engelfriet.net/Alie/Hans/desindesnicolaas.jpg

woahhh!! Zwaarte Piet !!! hahah
my mom use to scare me telling me she's going to call them if i was acting bad..LOL
purnomor
^ yeap, too bad the world only adopted Santa Claus from the Dutch, but forgot about Zwarte Piet!
tangawizi
QUOTE(purnomor @ Jan 7 2007, 03:08 PM) [snapback]2631594[/snapback]

^ yeap, too bad the world only adopted Santa Claus from the Dutch, but forgot about Zwarte Piet!


Do u get black coals from the 3 kings as a gift if u had been acting bad? This is a Catholic practice in Spain (especially Catalunya).. The Reyes will come on 6 Jan and disburse their presents or black coals..
purnomor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 7 2007, 08:23 AM) [snapback]2631677[/snapback]

Do u get black coals from the 3 kings as a gift if u had been acting bad? This is a Catholic practice in Spain (especially Catalunya).. The Reyes will come on 6 Jan and disburse their presents or black coals..


It's different, Zwarte Piet is assistant to Sinterklaas (Santa Claus). If u are acting bad, Zwarte Piet will put you in a coalsack and kidnap you to Spain to be sold as slave. If u are good, Zwarte Piet will give you sweets and candies.

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ALTMANN FAMILY, ANOTHER WHITE SETTLER FAMILY IN INDONESIA

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Hermann Altmann, a German settler, immigrated to Indonesia in 1903 as manager to a palm-oil plantation in Medan - North Sumatera. There, he married a half-Indonesian woman. They posed in this 1915 photograph with their first three children, two boys Paul andKarel, and one girl Mase.

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The Altmann kids in 1930: (l-r) Karel, Charles, Jaap, Mase, and Paul Altmann

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The extended Altmann family in 1930 at their Medan home. Fourth from left is the youngest boy Charles Altmann, sitting on the floor is daughter Mase Altmann, third from right is Karel Altmann, second from right is Paul Altmann sitting on the lap of Jaap Altmann.

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Paul Altmann and friends in 1930 Medan

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Jaap and Paul Altmann in 1931

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Altmann family home in Medan, 1940

During the Japanese occupation, the Altmann family was imprisoned by the Japanese. After the Japanese surrender in 1945, Altmann family was freed by British troops that occupied Medan, later replaced by Dutch troops. Paul Altmann then signed-up with the re-constituted Dutch colonial police tasked with fighting against Indonesian independence fighters.

VAN RIJN FAMILY

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Julius and Johanna van Rijn immigrated to Indonesia in 1922, first to Pekalongan - Central Java, and then to Bandoeng - West Java. In this 1931 photograph the three van Rijn children, Jan, Jeanne, and Remy van Rijn posed with their mother JJ van Rijn-Mulder in front of their Bandoeng home.

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Teenagers Remy and Jan van Rijn riding their motorcycle around Bandoeng in 1940.

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During the Japanese occupation, van Rijn family was interned and imprisoned in a concentration camp near Bandoeng. Seventeen-year old Jeanne Adrianne Johanna van Rijn was issued with this identification card by the Japanese military in 1942.

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After the Japanese surrender in 1945, van Rijn family went under the custody of Indonesian freedom fighters for a few months until Bandoeng was re-captured by the British in March 1946. Here newly-freed Jeanne, Remy, and their mother JJ van Rijn-Mulder posed with their dog Naughty in Tjimahi military encampment near Bandoeng, where van Rijn family and other Dutch settler families lived under Dutch military protection.
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After training in Medan, Paul Altmann was assigned to the Dutch colonial police force established in Bandoeng to patrol this city recently captured from Indonesian freedom fighters (Bandoeng Sea of Fire Incident of 1946). Here Paul posed with his mates in the Bandoeng police force in 1947. In Bandoeng, Paul fell in love with 21-year-old Jeanne van Rijn.

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Sweethearts Paul Altmann and Jeanne van Rijn in Bandoeng, 12 April 1946. Paul married Jeanne later in 1946.

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Jeanne and Paul Altmann with their first child, Hedy Altmann, in Bandoeng 1947

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Paul and Jeanne Altmann with their two children, Hedy and Jeanny Altmann, in Bandoeng 1948

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After Indonesian victory in the war of independence, Altmann family decided to remain in Indonesia. Here a slightly worried-looking Jeanne Altmann posed with her mother and two children, Hedy and Jeanny, in front of their Bandung home, 1950.

JENSEN FAMILY, A DANISH SETTLER FAMILY IN INDONESIA

Carl Kreutz Jensen, a Dane, first arrived in Indonesia in 1896 as a hired soldier in the Royal Netherlands Indies Army (KNIL). He joined the Marechausse corps engaged in counter-guerilla warfare in Aceh as a captain. In 1905, he retired from army service and settled in Bandoeng to become a businessman. In 1909, Gabriele van Doorn-Masson arrived in Indonesia from the Netherlands to live with her uncle, a Dutch settler in Bandoeng. She met and fell in love with much older Carl Jensen and they were married in 1910. They lived in "Villa Dania", a large residence at Tjiateulweg 33 (now Jalan Ciateul). They had five daughters. Carl Jensen died of a heart attack in 1921, forcing Gabriele to depend on her uncle to fend for her five daughters.

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The Jensen sisters in 1922: (l-r) Elionor, Hetty, Lilly, Lotte, and Asta, all born and raised in Bandoeng.

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The grown-up Jensen sisters with their mother Gabriele van Doorn-Masson (in black dress) on the occassion of Asta Jensen's 1939 wedding with Henk van Ginkel (an employee of Dutch shipping company KPM) in Bandoeng. Their first two daughters were born in 1939 and 1940.

During Japanese occupation, the Jensens were imprisoned in concentration camps where Gabriele van Doorn-Masson died in 1943. After the war, the Jensens immediately all moved back to Netherlands. However, Asta's husband Henk van Ginkel was killed in the 1949 crash of KLM plane De Franeker in Bombay, India. The plane was carrying thirty-five prominent American journalists home after a tour of Indonesia, where they developed pro-Dutch and anti-Indonesian sentiments. All the passengers, including all the journalists and Asta's husband, were killed. This crash prevented spread of pro-Dutch sentiment in USA that potentially could damage international support for Indonesia's independence. It is always suspected that the KLM plane was sabotaged by Indonesian agents.
tangawizi
do u have any old photos tracing the families and lineage of indonesian locals rather than all these white folks?
Bhaskara
So he was fighting for the Dutch when we're trying to achieve our independence, yet, after the independence he decided to stay? embarassedlaugh.gif
Some gut he has!
purnomor
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 9 2007, 02:08 AM) [snapback]2636586[/snapback]

So he was fighting for the Dutch when we're trying to achieve our independence, yet, after the independence he decided to stay? embarassedlaugh.gif
Some gut he has!


Indonesian govt was quite kind to allow these white settlers to stay after independence despite their active involvement in trying to destroy Indonesian independence. However, the Altmann and van Rijn family was eventually expelled from Indonesia in 1956 when the Dutch insisted on retaining West Papua. Some of the Altmanns emigrated to Sydney, Australia. Meanwhile, Paul and Jeanne moved with their family back to the Netherlands.

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 9 2007, 01:25 AM) [snapback]2636488[/snapback]

do u have any old photos tracing the families and lineage of indonesian locals rather than all these white folks?


I have, but these old pics of some of the half a million white settlers in Indonesia are unique since this community has been completely expelled from Indonesia after independence.

Had them Dutch not be so violently oppossed to Indonesian independence, or should they not insisted on maintaining colonial rule over West Irian, there will be maybe millions of whites in Indonesia today like in South Africa. We could have plenty of hot white girls like Charlize Theron living in this country biggrin.gif
Bhaskara
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White, of course, but hot like Charlize Theron?Hmm..
tangawizi
QUOTE(purnomor @ Jan 9 2007, 01:46 PM) [snapback]2636856[/snapback]


I have, but these old pics of some of the half a million white settlers in Indonesia are unique since this community has been completely expelled from Indonesia after independence.

Had them Dutch not be so violently oppossed to Indonesian independence, or should they not insisted on maintaining colonial rule over West Irian, there will be maybe millions of whites in Indonesia today like in South Africa. We could have plenty of hot white girls like Charlize Theron living in this country biggrin.gif


Hmmm.... it wd have been a disaster if they remained behind like in South Africa, because as u know the Afrikaans or Boers were Dutch descended, and they were bloody racist in the apartheid. I think Indonesia would be in deep shhit if the Dutch stayed behind to rule with iron hands.

Charlize Theron? The lady who acted in the Monster?

I'd love to see the old pics of Indonesians too...especially with foreign communities involved.. it's more interesting that these xmassy photos of the white settlers to be frank... biggrin.gif
purnomor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 9 2007, 07:21 AM) [snapback]2637012[/snapback]

Hmmm.... it wd have been a disaster if they remained behind like in South Africa, because as u know the Afrikaans or Boers were Dutch descended, and they were bloody racist in the apartheid. I think Indonesia would be in deep shhit if the Dutch stayed behind to rule with iron hands.


Of course the Dutch should not remain in power and Indonesia should be independent. But had the Dutch not try to invade and re-colonise Indonesia after independence, or if they not try to retain colonial rule over West Papua, there would've been lots of white Indonesians today, akin to the existing large communities of Chinese-Indonesians, Arab-Indonesians, or Indian-Indonesians. However, these stubborn whites were violently bent on maintaining their colonial domination over Indonesians, hence causing the demise of their own community.

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Charlize Theron? The lady who acted in the Monster?


Yeap, she's one attractive South African actress of Afrikaner origin.

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I'd love to see the old pics of Indonesians too...especially with foreign communities involved.. it's more interesting that these xmassy photos of the white settlers to be frank... biggrin.gif


Watch this space..



XxRyoChanxX
QUOTE(purnomor @ Jan 9 2007, 05:46 AM) [snapback]2636856[/snapback]


Had them Dutch not be so violently oppossed to Indonesian independence, or should they not insisted on maintaining colonial rule over West Irian, there will be maybe millions of whites in Indonesia today like in South Africa. We could have plenty of hot white girls like Charlize Theron living in this country biggrin.gif


wow i never knew that! how interesting!!
furansizuka
the girl's pic reminds me of Michelle Branch story about her grandma. She was imprisoned in Japanese concentration camp too.
Bhaskara
Dutch are among the most racist nation on earth Just look at Zwaarte Pieten (yes, I'm using the plural form). It's a character of a black man who'd punish children if they don't behave. While Sinterklaas is a merry and kind white man.

That's why the early American in New Amsterdam (New York) adopted only Sinterklaas (Santa Claus) and not Zwarte Pieten, because it's so racist.
rasibiduk
I could be wrong, but isn't the exodus of the Dutch-Indonesian in the '50s because they do not want to be an Indonesian national in the first place? I believe Sukarno ended the dual citizenship of these so-called 'foreign-Indonesian' by asking them to choose: be an Indonesian national or move back to your fatherland. In contrast, very few Chinese-Indonesian moved back to China mainland.
purnomor
QUOTE(rasibiduk @ Jan 10 2007, 05:34 PM) [snapback]2640529[/snapback]

I could be wrong, but isn't the exodus of the Dutch-Indonesian in the '50s because they do not want to be an Indonesian national in the first place? I believe Sukarno ended the dual citizenship of these so-called 'foreign-Indonesian' by asking them to choose: be an Indonesian national or move back to your fatherland. In contrast, very few Chinese-Indonesian moved back to China mainland.


After independence, the white settlers mostly refused Indonesian citizenship and retained their Dutch nationality. In 1957, when Indonesia and Netherlands was on the verge of military conflict over the Dutch retaining colonial control over Netherlands New Guinea (Irian Jaya), Sukarno ordered for all Dutch citizens living in Indonesia (at that time around 75,000) to be expelled from the country. In 1960, Indonesia cut diplomatic relations with the Netherlands.

On dual citizenship, Sukarno's government actually signed agreement with People's Republic of China in 1955 allowing for dual citizenship for Chinese-Indonesians as Sukarno wanted to make friends with communist bloc countries. Remember, in 1951 Mao Zedong claimed all ethnic-Chinese as Chinese citizens. This agreement was abrogated when anti-communist Suharto took power in 1966 and cut diplomatic relationship with PRC over Chinese support for G30S/PKI, hence most Chinese-Indonesians at that time signed a paper stating that they choose Indonesian citizenship and refused Chinese citizenship.
alfan
thx for this thread purnomor!
purnomor
^ kembali biggrin.gif

NAZIISM IN COLONIAL INDONESIA

The Indonesian branch of Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterspartei / NSDAP) was established on June 1933 under the supervision of NSDAP/Auslands-Organisation (Nazi Party Foreign Organisation) by energetic German diplomat and personal friend of Hitler, Walther Hewel. Nazi ideology found widespread support amongst Netherlands East Indies' large German community. By 1935, the Nazi Party has established branches (Ostgruppen) in Batavia (Jakarta), Bandung, Makassar, Surabaya, Semarang, Medan, and Padang.

Walther Hewel later returned to Germany and was quickly promoted thanks to his work in establishing Naziism in Indonesia. Hewel became member of Hitler's personal staff as his contact-person with Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. Hewel followed Hitler to the end, staying with Hitler until his suicide in Fuhrer-bunker in 1945. To avoid capture by the Russians, Hewel committed suicide soon after Germany surrendered a week later. Hewel's character can be seen in recent movie, "Downfall".

The local German Nazi Party allied with the Dutch Nazi Party NSB (Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging) and other white-supremacist groups in the Vaderland Front, which controlled the quasi-colonial parliament Volksraad. Supported by Dutch colonial government, particularly the Nazi-sympathiser Governor-General Bonifacius Cornelis de Jonge, Vaderland Front stridently oppossed any concession to the nascent Indonesian nationalist movements.

Pressure from the local Nazis caused the Dutch colonial government to adopt a repressive policies against Indonesian nationalists in early 1930s, leading its leader Sukarno to be arrested and sent to exile, while many more Indonesians were sent to their deaths in malaria-infested concentration camp in Boven Digoel in Dutch New Guinea (now Papua province).

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Nazi Party local committee in Padang - West Sumatra
tangawizi
what did the Nazi Club do in Indonesia, pur?

i always thought the Dutch governments had co-operated with the Nazis rather than resisted them. Same as the Vichy government in France.. is that right?
purnomor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 11 2007, 06:12 AM) [snapback]2642130[/snapback]

what did the Nazi Club do in Indonesia, pur?


They lobbied the colonial government to adopt policies that benefits the white race. For instance, the Nazis influenced governor-general Bonifacius Cornelis de Jonge to adopt a policy of harsh oppression the nascent Indonesian nationalist movement by arresting and sending its leaders such as Sukarno to exile in some remote island locations, where they remained until Japanese invasion. Those nationalists who were more daring in rejecting colonial rule was sent to concentration camps in Boven Digoel, at the malaria-infested swamplands of central Netherlands New Guinea (now in Papua province). This is because Indonesian nationalism posed a threat on the political, social, and economic dominance of white people in Netherlands Indies. Governor-generals prior to de Jonge adopted a more tolerant attitude towards Indonesian nationalist movements. Other than that, the Nazis promoted white racial purity and advocated discrimination against the large mixed Eurasian population existing in Indonesia at that time. They also promoted anti-Semitism against the small Jewish population.

Ironically, during World War II it was the Nazi ally Japan who eventually destroyed white rule over Indonesia and freed the nationalist leaders who were imprisoned by the Dutch. German citizens in Indonesia were not imprisoned like the Dutch and other white settlers coming from Allied countries, and they helped the Japanese in rounding-up Jewish settlers in Indonesia to be put in concentration camps with harsher conditions (such as experience of Jewish girl Xaviera Hollander).

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i always thought the Dutch governments had co-operated with the Nazis rather than resisted them. Same as the Vichy government in France.. is that right?


The Netherlands were one of the most cooperative with the German authorities amongst the occupied European countries (such as in rounding-up 85% of Dutch Jews like Anne Frank to be sent to death camps) and displayed very little resistence to the Germans. There Dutch were one of the most enthusiastic in joining the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS (25,000 Dutchmen joined the Nazi military), and they were one of the most fanatical in the battlefield as well. Many of these Waffen-SS veterans later fought against Indonesians during the war of independence (1945-1949).

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BRAGAWEG (BRAGA STREET), THE MAIN SHOPPING PROMENADE IN COLONIAL BANDOENG

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Aerial photo of Bragaweg, looking south.

The street ran south from the railway-line to the Groote Postweg (now Jalan Asia-Afrika) marked by Hotel Savoy-Homann on the top of the picture

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Bragaweg in the 1930s.

The street was established as shopping promenade on the initiative Bandoeng's mayor B Coops in 1920 to cater for the growing amount of white settlers in Bandoeng and surrounding areas. All the buildings on the street was regulated and re-designed by municipal engineer Prof. Dr. Ir. CP Mom, Ir JP Thysse, and Ir EH de Roo in tasteful architecture to suit the tropical climate. The shops had wide open spaces, high ceilings, thick walls, and proper air ventilation holes above the windows. The floors were made of marble, since it was cool during hot daytime. The windows were decorated with lead colour-ornamented glasses, giving the sunlight passing through the coloured windows particular aesthetic feeling.

Amongst the notable shops lining Bragaweg was Van Dorp & Co (bookshop), Majestic Theatre (first movie theatre in Bandoeng), DENIS / De Eerste Nederlands-Indie Spaarbank (bank), Orderling Belang (quality fabric store), Horlogerie Stocker & PE Huber (wristwatch store and repair centre), Fuchs & Rens (distributor of American and European cars), NV Abundantia (official florist of the governor-general), Maison Bogerijen, Maison Boin, Het Snoephuis, Firma Kuyi en Vesteeg (restaurants, bakeries, and liquor-stores), and many others.

During its heyday in 1920s and 1930s, white settlers from as far as Batavia (Jakarta) went to Bandoeng during weekends to do window-shopping or real shopping at Bragaweg, termed as "Bragaderen". Amongst the local colonialists, Bandoeng became known as "Parijs van Java" (Paris in Java) due to its lively streetlife.
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PHOTOS OF COLONIAL INDONESIA IN 1929 TAKEN BY A CZECHOSLOVAKIAN TOURIST

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Arrival by ship at Tandjoeng Priok harbour at Batavia (Jakarta)

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Batavia street scenes

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Old Batavia Town Hall, then functioning as the office of the governor of West-Java provincie (now Museum Sejarah Jakarta)

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Batavia trams, they were "fireless" (diesel-engined) Hohenzollern trams made in Germany and operated by NITM (Nederlands Indie Trams-en-spoorwegen Maatschappij)

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Native women washing clothes at Batavia's canals. The first photograph was taken at the Tjiliwoeng River at Noordwijk (Jalan Juanda) while the second was taken at Krukut River at Tanah Abang area.
Bhaskara
I may be biased here, but I think Bandung got the best of colonial heritage! biggrin.gif
Kresna
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 10 2007, 10:51 AM) [snapback]2639407[/snapback]

Dutch are among the most racist nation on earth Just look at Zwaarte Pieten (yes, I'm using the plural form). It's a character of a black man who'd punish children if they don't behave. While Sinterklaas is a merry and kind white man.

That's why the early American in New Amsterdam (New York) adopted only Sinterklaas (Santa Claus) and not Zwarte Pieten, because it's so racist.

Nonsense. Zwarte Pieten are never portrayed as the evil and sadistic henchmen of Sinterklaas. In fact, a popular theory in the Netherlands is that Zwarte Pieten are black because they have to climb through chimneys. And you can say many things about the Dutch, but that they're racist? Nah.

And believe me, I know better than you do.


QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 11 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]2642130[/snapback]

what did the Nazi Club do in Indonesia, pur?

i always thought the Dutch governments had co-operated with the Nazis rather than resisted them. Same as the Vichy government in France.. is that right?

The Dutch government went into exile, and formed a new official government in London. Whatever happened in the Netherlands during the German occupation, happened without the cooperation of the Dutch government.
Bhaskara
Let's see...Dutch invented slavery. Dutch divided people of East Indies into strict hierarchy, which favored the Whites and degraded the natives. They even invent Zwaarte Pieten, black men freed from slavery by the glorious Sinterklaas, and now got nothing better to do with their life but to become servants of the white man.So yeah, sure I can.

The Dutch murdered, raped and force-labored our ancestors,denied their rights as human being for centuries. Now I dunno about u, but I'm not about to fanatically defend and worship them as if they were my masters.
Kresna
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 16 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]2656101[/snapback]

Let's see...Dutch invented slavery. Dutch divided people of East Indies into strict hierarchy, which favored the Whites and degraded the natives. They even invent Zwaarte Pieten, black men freed from slavery by the glorious Sinterklaas, and now got nothing better to do with their life but to become servants of the white man.So yeah, sure I can.

All those things have happened. And the Dutch in general act very responsible towards their own history (with our idiotic prime minister being the exception ofcourse). But how many Dutch today were involved in slavetrade and colonialism? None. Passing down responsibility of crimes and wrongdoings to innocent generations is the source of racism, ethnic hatred and blind nationalism. I'm better than that. And so should you be.

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People like u disgust me. The Dutch murdered, raped and force-labored ur ancestors,denied their rights as human being for centuries. Now there are "chocolate dutch" like u, who'd fanatically defend and worship them as if they are ur masters. Hah!Have u seen urself in the mirror lately?What a laugh!

Whatever, u dutch wannabe. U can go on and wipe their @$$ after they take a dump.

People like you disgust me. With this eternal inferiority/victim feeling towards white people. How can you expect to be seen as an equal, if you yourself don't behave like an equal to them? There are many nice people in the Netherlands you know. And you want to be the frustrated little boy taking offence from people who did not make them? Of an offence, YOU weren't the victim of? It's so pathetic.

tangawizi
QUOTE(Kresna @ Jan 16 2007, 03:05 PM) [snapback]2656059[/snapback]

The Dutch government went into exile, and formed a new official government in London. Whatever happened in the Netherlands during the German occupation, happened without the cooperation of the Dutch government.


Oic... I think the French had the same thing in London, Le Resistance, they called themselves.

I dunno much abt Dutch politicks.

Can u explain how the Dutch Afrikaans became an apartheid government in South Africa?
Bhaskara
I was not the victim of?Sure I am. So are u. And so the rest of Indonesia. Dutch was the worst colonist in the whole world, and they haven't done anything to mend that.

I totally agree that we are all equal, and I'm sure there are plenty of nice Dutch people. I don't live in the Netherlands like u, but I've been there a few times, and every time I talk to one of them, I would look in their eyes, with pride as an Indonesian, an equal, contrary to what they have been trying to do to us.

Now, u tell me, is it u or me who got the inferiority complex?Me, who is not afraid to claim their responsibility to the long agony in Indonesia, or you, who would do anything to be one of them, including overseeing our painful history?

Now, I've edited my previous post, trying not to offense u. But alas, everything I think about u was confirmed by ur reply. Have it ur way then. Who am I to tell u not to become a chocolate dutch.
tangawizi
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 16 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]2656123[/snapback]

I was not the victim of?Sure I am. So are u. And so the rest of Indonesia. Dutch was the worst colonist in the whole world, and they haven't done anything to mend that.

I totally agree that we are all equal, and I'm sure there are plenty of nice Dutch people. I don't live in the Netherlands like u, but I've been there a few times, and every time I talk to one of them, I would look in their eyes, with pride as an Indonesian, an equal, contrary to what they have been trying to do to us.

Now, u tell me, is it u or me who got the inferiority complex?Me, who is not afraid to claim their responsibility to the long agony in Indonesia, or you, who would do anything to be one of them, including overseeing our painful history?

Now, I've edited my previous post, trying not to offense u. But alas, everything I think about u was confirmed by ur reply. Have it ur way then. Who am I to tell u not to become a chocolate dutch.



Kresna, ignore Bhasakara. He has this nasty habit of jumping into concussions and judging people outright without running it through his head. Calling people things like chocolate dutch is the least of his nasty habits. this kid is a geek, a freaken nerd who can't dance and wannabe cool like the rest of you.

Ignore the twit! I say! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Bhaskara
What is wrong with u, tangy?I didn't pick a fight with u. I don't do the club scene because I choose not to, but people still ask me anyway. Unlike u, I'm sure. Watissit?Are u lonely?Nobody ask u out?Have to depend on ur overused vibrator?Boo-hoo-hoo!!
Better u burn ur clit now, 'cos nobody would ever want to fu-k ur rotten pussy. Or seeing that u're so fond of Kresna, u can beg to suck his c@ck. He may even let u swallow, if u be a good girl and attack me some more laugh.gif
tangawizi
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 16 2007, 04:32 PM) [snapback]2656165[/snapback]

What is wrong with u, tangy?I didn't pick a fight with u. I don't do the club scene because I choose not to, but people still ask me anyway. Unlike u, I'm sure. Watissit?Are u lonely?Nobody ask u out?Have to depend on ur overused vibrator?Boo-hoo-hoo!!
Better u burn ur clit now, 'cos nobody would ever want to fu-k ur rotten pussy. Or seeing that u're so fond of Kresna, u can beg to suck his c@ck. He may even let u swallow, if u be a good girl and attack me some more laugh.gif


Just to put the above on record for all to see.... what a big TWAT u have turned out to be, bhaskara... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Bhaskara
Yeah, don't worry. I'm fine with twats, as long it's not yours, b!tch icon_wink.gif
santoloco
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 16 2007, 08:32 AM) [snapback]2656165[/snapback]

What is wrong with u, tangy?I didn't pick a fight with u. I don't do the club scene because I choose not to, but people still ask me anyway. Unlike u, I'm sure. Watissit?Are u lonely?Nobody ask u out?Have to depend on ur overused vibrator?Boo-hoo-hoo!!
Better u burn ur clit now, 'cos nobody would ever want to fu-k ur rotten pussy. Or seeing that u're so fond of Kresna, u can beg to suck his c@ck. He may even let u swallow, if u be a good girl and attack me some more laugh.gif


OMG!!!!! id never say that to a girl even if she teasin me!!!!! eek.gif icon_sad.gif

wizi quit botherin bro bhaskara!!

some ppl pretend they hate, but the truth they like each other! biggthumpup.gif
tangawizi
QUOTE(santoloco @ Jan 16 2007, 04:38 PM) [snapback]2656174[/snapback]

OMG!!!!! id never say that to a girl even if she teasin me!!!!! eek.gif icon_sad.gif

wizi quit botherin bro bhaskara!!

some ppl pretend they hate, but the truth they like each other! biggthumpup.gif


I wasn't intending to bother bhaskara, juz teasing him...but look at his reaction. Doesn't it just reveal what a pompous dirty-mouthed little flea he is???? embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

I don't like him ONE BIT. He's a loser.
santoloco
oh quit u too! Talktohand.gif want me to marry u both? laugh.gif

back to topic: jakarta looks very nice in the old days.
tangawizi
QUOTE(santoloco @ Jan 16 2007, 04:41 PM) [snapback]2656181[/snapback]

oh quit u too! Talktohand.gif want me to marry u both? laugh.gif

back to topic: jakarta looks very nice in the old days.


hahaha...no thank u, i'd rather be decapitated like Saddam Hussein's half brother than be stuck with a loser like bhaskara for life!! hahaha embarassedlaugh.gif

yes....indeed...jakarta looks really nice in the old days... biggthumpup.gif
Bhaskara
Hmm...I don't usually do that either, santy. I just hate it when foreigner like her butt in a serious matter as colonization, when she herself was never part of the victims. Indonesians are normally quite forgiveful, willing to let go of the past, not like the tension between Japan-China or Japan-Korea. But to deny the suffering of my people...that would be the lowest of the lowest.

So be it. She should care more of her own fleas. They seem to love partying in her stinky bush. Oh well, that's the only party she's going to have with her twat, so she might as well keep them. laugh.gif
tangawizi
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 16 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]2656189[/snapback]

Hmm...I don't usually do that either, santy. I just hate it when foreigner like her butt in a serious matter as colonization, when she herself was never part of the victims. Indonesians are normally quite forgiveful, willing to let go of the past, not like the tension between Japan-China or Japan-Korea. But to deny the suffering of my people...that would be the lowest of the lowest.

So be it. She should care more of her own fleas. They seem to love partying in her stinky bush. Oh well, that's the only party she's going to have with her twat, so she might as well keep them. laugh.gif


I have never met an Indonesian as rude as you, and as judgmental about people and their background. It's about time you learnt to shut your trap and THINK BEFORE YOU SPIT VENOM at people!

The way you reveal your thought process just confirms how crass and low you are. So don't pretend to be any victim of Dutch racism. You are the Biggest Bigot right here on AF Indo.
Kresna
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jan 16 2007, 02:07 PM) [snapback]2656123[/snapback]

I was not the victim of?Sure I am. So are u. And so the rest of Indonesia. Dutch was the worst colonist in the whole world, and they haven't done anything to mend that.

I totally agree that we are all equal, and I'm sure there are plenty of nice Dutch people. I don't live in the Netherlands like u, but I've been there a few times, and every time I talk to one of them, I would look in their eyes, with pride as an Indonesian, an equal, contrary to what they have been trying to do to us.

Now, u tell me, is it u or me who got the inferiority complex?Me, who is not afraid to claim their responsibility to the long agony in Indonesia, or you, who would do anything to be one of them, including overseeing our painful history?

Now, I've edited my previous post, trying not to offense u. But alas, everything I think about u was confirmed by ur reply. Have it ur way then. Who am I to tell u not to become a chocolate dutch.

Obviously, you should remind the Dutch that they should act responsible towards their own history, as I frequently do in real conversations with real Dutch people. But as I have already said. Passing down responsibility of crimes is a source of blind nationalism and racism. You talk about 'them' and 'us'. But let me ask you, have you ever been enslaved by a Dutchmen? How could you possibly have a grudge against the current generation of Dutch who have been nothing but sympathetic and generous to the Indonesian people?

And the term 'Chocolate Dutch' could only come from a simple mind who doesn't even understand the basics of Dutch society.



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