how did hmong people end up in laos mountain? and where do they came from? mongolia?

They fled persecution from the Qing Government of China. Stormed into Laos and Vietnam, after fighting with the local lowlanders, they were finally allowed to settle in the highland mountains where noone lived.

No relations to Mongolians.

Do you happen to know of sources/links/titles that will give information about Tswb Choj...or Tswb Chos....he was a Hmong warrior....who possessed the head of a pig and the body of a human being? His name is in legends and is proclaimed as a origin of Hmong descendants.....It's all legends and myths, yes......but thousands of years ago...the earth is not as it is today......legends have a minute bit of truth if not all true.

Please let me know if u have any info. thanks.

from what i've read, we fled southern china due to war. because we did not have centralized leadership, the migration happened in multiple phases. the first to flee were black hmongs that settled in vietnam. the last to flee were hmongs that settled in laos. the hmong in laos were not welcomed at first but after helping the laotian king fight one of his enemies, they were allowed to live in the highlands.

Watch this video and learn why many Hmong refuses to come down from the Hillside of Laos.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...ideoID=52274832

In China, Hmong live along side of the Yellow Rive in which we believe were originated from. When China was being united, Hmong were one of the last people to be conquered. So during the civil war between all other Chinese ethnics and Hmong, the Chinese government defeated the Hmong by flooding us to death. Those who escaped and survived start to live in the hills to avoid that. Many escaped to Laos and other Southeast Asian countries.

There is nothing to fear in Laos, but many Hmong refused to come down because of French thieves' oppression.

You don't make any sense.
The Hmong were once lowland people who lived in the plain of the Yellow River Valley where they grew rice. The Yellow River Valley was constantly flooded. The Miao migrated up north into Zhuolu(Tshuaj Luj) under Chiyou. There, they fought with Huangdi and Yandi but Chiyou was killed. The death of Chiyou forced the Miao ancestors to migrated back to the eastern part of China. In that area, the Hmong ancestors have palaces and a great civilization (see Shang Dynasty). Shang Dynasty was one of the first dynasty in China beside Xia Dynasty. After the end of Shang, it was Western and Eastern Zhou and then it was San Miao Kingdom. There were many wars against the Miao ancestors for they were one of the larger advance tribe in China(due to Chiyou's inventions). After the end of San Miao, the Chu State was formed during the Autumn and Spring Period/Warring States. The culture of Shang, Zhou and Chu all share many similarities. The Chu state stretched from the Yellow to the Yangtze River. It was destroyed by the Qin State under Qin Shihuangdi who is not related to Qin Huangdi. Qin Shihuangdi unified China and formed Qin Dynasty. After Qin Dynasty, it formed the Han Dynasty.

Many people of Chu were forced in labors and as slaves. When Chu state was captured, that was when the Miao ancestors fled to Southwest China. 2000 yrs later, when the Miao ancestors settled in southwest China, the Han Chinese became more advance and as their population grew, they needed more land. They waged many wars against the Miao. During the Ming Dynasty, after forcing many Miao farther down south, the Ming built the Southern Great Wall and was completed later in Song or Qing Dynasty.

The Hmong were not the last people to be conquered. They have been conquered since the dawn of Ancient China. Their culture remains because they were one of the first largest ethnic group in China with a long advance civilization. You really need to learn Hmong history. Don't go making up stuff. I will correct you.

During the long uprising in Guizhou, Chinese armies under Qing were sent from seven surrounding provinces to destroy the Miao. Many didn't feel safe living in the town, so they went to hide high above the mountains. The Mountains acted as barriers and defense walls. The Miao ancestors only lived in the mountains when the Chinese came, other then that, the Miao/Hmong people lived in the lowland next to the mountains.

The Hmong started to migrate during many rebellions in Yunnan and Southwest China. One is the Taiping Rebellion and the other one is the rebellion launched by the Hui and Miao people against the Qing armies. The Hmong didn't know they entered Southeast Asia. There were many groups of Hmong that migrated into Vietnam, Laos, Thailand and Myanmar. Not just the Hmong, but also the Mien, Nung(Zhuang), Kam(Dong), Bouyei, Lisu, Akha, other Tai groups, and the list goes on. The Hmong were the majority of all ethnic groups that migrated to Southeast Asia.

Anyways, here is Hmong history.

I agree with brother Xeemlauj...

Nkes tiag tiag li os. Hahaha...

That's an easy one, we migrated from southern China into s.e. Asia in the latter half of the 18th and early 19th century. The theory about Mongolia is simply just a coincidence because of the name. I know about the story but think logically we are vastly different from Mongolians. We are culturally different and linguistically different also. If our ancestor's ever originated form there, there would be some things in common, which there is none. The Siberia theory is also is not consistent and lack correlation. The Mesopotamia theory may be true, since it was the cradle of civilization but that's going way too far. The yellow river basin theory is the most plausible since there are stories and folklore that support it. As to how credible it is , it's not concrete due to the inconsistency of oral tradition that spans for thousands of years. It is only of limited use to determine our origin. Thread work is also of no use since no one can decipher the shapes and patterns. Digging into history as you all know require written text and unfortunately there is none for us Hmong. Chinese historical books also is not that reliable, since it was written by Chinese but at least it's documented so it is still useful to some extent to correlate with our oral traditions. The yellow river basin theory is the most plausible because it correlates with our oral tradition as well as Chinese historical books. Genetically we are of east Asian descent with northeast Asian markers as well, so even DNA testing confirms this. DNA testing is the best course to determine our ancestry because it is irrefutable with only a margin of .01% for error. As far as the route we traveled, it is a southeastern route as far as I've heard. To xeemlauj, I'm not sure if your claims about certain Chinese dynasties being Hmong is true or not. There are stories but there's no concrete evidence. Maybe these dynasties were Chinese, maybe it was Miao or another Asian group, who knows and speculating is not proof. I've seen the pictures of these artifacts and done my own research, sure some of them do resemble Hmong craftsmanship but that doesn't mean it was Hmong. You have to look at it objectively, maybe those designs were popular or desired during those periods or maybe a Miao person was commissioned to make those artifacts, it doesn't mean it was a Hmong kingdom. Even if it was a Miao kingdom, that still doesn't make it Hmong. Miao is only a general term used to describe an ethnic group of people with similar cultures. This is true because only a certain percentage of Miao today considered themselves Hmong. To say with certainty that it was Hmong is just too bias and too subjective. In order to make a concrete and honest conclusion , you have to look at every source available to determine whether these things are in fact true or false. If you only rely on a Hmong/Miao sources you will end up with a conclusion that is wrong and bias. Think about it, what ethnic group doesn't dream of a glorious past such as a kingdom of their own, it's easy to think thoughts about the past and claim it to be true without irrefutable evidence. I would like to believe that we had a kingdom once but I need hard proof before I jump the gun.

Tswv Choj is my great great.... grandfather.

Thank you for your Hmong history. I agree with you here.