I am tired seeing many kids arguing here. so I ll help you guys by providing this map.

understand what it mean now?

This is the map of phitsanulok........................This is the map of Lao Lanxang

Could you provide us with a more official map of LanXang, please.

This one doesn't cut it, it looks like someone outlined the boarders of a remaining map with yellow marker.

From what I read, it was established when Mangrai combined the 2 kingdoms of Ngoen Yang and Payao only to be absorbed by Siam later on in history.

It was never part of LanXang, that map was doctored with the notion of Lanna being a Lao Kingdom and passed around in this forum like it's official. You're kidding yourself if you think Lanxang ever came to be that large.

Here's a map of Lanxang, excluding Lanna. As you can see Lanna was it's own separate kingdom.

"let bygones be bygones"

A "bygone" is something which has already happened; the time when it happened has "gone by". We say "let bygones be bygones" to people who have had a disagreement in the past when we want them to move forward leaving their disagreement in the past. Example: "You and I have had our disagreements; let's let bygones be bygones." {often used with: Forgive and forget}

ไอ่ลาวคับ มึงเอาแผนที่นี้มาโพสต์ไม่ได้นะคับ เดี๋ยวพวกเขมรเห็นเข้ามันจะต้องไม่พอใจมึงอย่างแน่นอนเลยคับ เดี๋ยวมันก็เอาแผนที่ขอมโบราณมาแปะบ้างหรอกคับ ไอ่ฟาย

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ไอ้ลาว !!!!!!!

ฮ่าๆๆๆๆๆ ฮาค่ะ ลาวหา เหา ใส่หัว เองเสียแล้ว
I think Khmer wouldn't be surprise if they see that map
LOL

K. Khunshaw, You've just reminded me of the show "Ally Mcbeal". I used to be sooo addicted to this show and Friends.

"let bygones be bygones"

All you have to do is read the chronicles of Chiangmai, FaNgum Army after taking Chiangsean and all the small kingdoms in NOthern Thailand headed towards Chiangmai and the King of Chiangmai sent Tribute and submitted to FaNgum without a fight, Chiagmai even has FaNgum listed as one of the King of Lanna.

FaNgum was a legitimate Heir to Lanna, he is the grandson of Mengrai the great, his mother is the daughter of King Mengrai. Many Nothern Thai kingdoms submitted to FaNgum without a fight when hearing of FaNgums army approaching. Many of these Kings made a case that they are FaNgums relative so that they can continue ruling their Kingdoms as subjects to FaNgum. The Kings that resisted FaNgums army were captured and excuted.

There are 2 Lanxang Kings listed as past Rulers of Lanna, those two Kings are FaNgum and Setthartarit. Both marternal sides are of Lanna lineage.

Ayutthya should be included in FaNgums Empire, Uthong submitted to FaNgum after FaNgum marched into Ayutthya territory and took land from Ayutthya. Uthong was unwilling to fight FaNgum and even sent his Daughter to FaNgum as a maid servent/wife with gifts as submission to FaNgum along with Ayutthya territory.

This is True, Pitsanulok is Inbetween Lanna and Lanxang. Pitsanulok is actual apart of Lanna and Lanxang if you look at both Lanna and Lanxang territory. both Lanna and Lanxang were considered Lao Kingdoms.

SO the ppl of Pitsanulok are Lao ppl, even according to Ayutthya they are considered Lao ppl

By looking at the map, Pitsnolok was under Lao lanxang. don't tell me your fake siamese can not see. Also Chaicheta was the ruler of both Lanna and Lanxang. The royal bloodline has been mixing way before Fah Ngum found Lanxang.

Did you guy know, Rama I was mon and he killed his boss Thaksin of thonbouli and proclaimed himself king. What a traitor.

like buddhaluv said, even this maps shows Pitsanulok as apart of Lanxang Kingdom.

Second, this map was created after the break of Lanxang and its territory downsized, so if you get an earlier map and a larger lanxang territory close to its Height in power, almost all of Pitsanulok would be apart of Lanxang.

all you have to do is look at Champasack Kingdom which is dotted as a smaller kingdom of Lanxang. Champasack kingdom did not exist in the orginal Lanxang Kingdom, Champasack Kingdom was created after the break up of Lanxang and Viengchan Kingdom, so Lanxang was in decline. Maybe that How Pitsanulok ended up being its own Kingdom because of the break up of Lanxang.

Korat was never part of Ayuthaya.

แล้วไง อดีตทำให้มึงเจริญกว่าตอนนี้ไหม จมกับอดีตไม่ทำให้อะไรดีขึ้นหรอก

Thai ladyboy, you need some education. educate yourself.

lol Korat was built by King Narai of Ayutthaya

LMAO, this map is a joke right?, who the fu-k is going to believe it's real?

if there are indeed dumb gullible morons out there then here's my contribution. lol

Soak it all in while you can.

Hello K. Peaceman, nice to know that u r well and still posting here.
These peter pan laos still have some kind of delusional mind set of their long forsaken past of lost kingdom.
They are mimicking khmer people.

To know the fact between Rama I and King Thaksin seek Chronicle of Muang Maroukha...ask Mr xxxxxxxxxx in Lao chat if you guys want to know more about it..

Is it now fact, old fact or future fact?
Are the facts credible or incredible?
People choose to believe what they are comfortable with.
SE Asia histories/historians are not credible when involving with the dynasties.

The Fact of the Matter is, do historians believe Pitsanulok was Lao or Siamese. There is No credible evidence what so ever to suggest that the ppl of Pitsanulok are Siamese.

The Region boarders the left Bank of the Maekong River, All Historians agree that the Maekong is the Heart of the Lao world,

They can no longer argue that Lanna, Shan state, and other Tai speaking ppl were called "Lao" by Ayutthya itself, Thai ppl alway want to say Ayutthya was the greatest Kingdom during these periods. So I would figure Ayutthya Would know what they are talking about when refering to the Lao ppl since Ayutthya was a Tai speaking Kingdom themselves.

So the Fact remains, Ayutthya called ALL Tai speaking ppl other then Siamese as Lao. As i said manytimes before, If you are of a Tai speaking group, you were considered either Lao or Siamese, so if you are not Lao then your saimese, and if you are not Siamese then you were considered Lao.

Nah, Jek boy. Thais believe because they're brainwashed.

Preah Vihear used to belong to Lanxan too. you can see the word LANXAN on its top, I just carved on it when I went there

You're lame. What kind of troll would pretend to be some total stranger online. LOL Are you that obsessed with me.

oh boy! Are you that obsessed with me.

the question is still out there, Is Pitsanulok Lao or Siamese people?

There answer is there too, it's clearly Siamese.

Likewise, your backward ignorance brain need to be washed with NACL as Lanxan was never close to the beautiful sea or ocean, slave boy.

Siamese because they speak central thai and they hate sticky rice

You have a good point and I agree. Anyway, I think Lao learn to eat sticky rice from the Chinese,

"According to legend in China, glutinous rice has been grown for at least 2,000 years.[4] According to legend, it was used to make the mortar in the construction of the Great Wall of China, and chemical tests have confirmed that this is true for the city walls of Xian." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutinous_rice

your wrong, trick question idiot, Pitsanulok ppl are Lao not siamese.

no wonder why thai ppl are idiots, they dont know their own history.

only Ayutthya are Siamese ppl.

You don't even speak your Ching Chong language Jek boy. If that ain't brainwashed then I don't know what is. You should be proud of your Jek ancestry and learn to speak your native language.

do you guys even know what pitsanulok is or means?

Hey lowdownLanxiet, Ching Chong is not a language. It is what I do when I go the the bathroom, b!tch.
I speak Tiajew Chinese to my mom everyday. So your statement on me is incorrected and ignorance like your nonNACL brain.

I know. It means "No Dogs and Lao are allowed to enter".

Pitsanulok and Ayutthya are the same people you idiots they are both ethnic Tai

Pitsanulok means Jek go back to Mainland.

Pitsanulok is Lao

Ayutthya is Siamese

China is Jek homeland, Jek have nothing to do with Pitsanulok or Ayutthya, you need to tell your Jek buddies this

any questions let me know

ไอ้ลาวแดกหมา อยากด่ามีไรป่ะ สัส

and come back to rule Lao by teaching to eat sticky rice.

"According to legend in China, glutinous rice has been grown for at least 2,000 years.[4] According to legend, it was used to make the mortar in the construction of the Great Wall of China, and chemical tests have confirmed that this is true for the city walls of Xian." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutinous_rice

Yes Khunhee the Chinaman, please go back to your greatwall.

Hey manout, I bring you more stickysheeit rice when I come back.
Be a good stinky doggy.

khunhee the chinaman, dont eat any dogs are cats when you go visit mainland,
soon there will be cat flue and dog flue because of you nasty arse eating habits, its enough you ppl brought the world sars.

I will mix them up with the stickysheeit rice flu for you to eat.
So u manout, stinky dog will eat dog, cat and stickysheeit rice flu in combination.