http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/2009-10/...ent_8831798.htm
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Full Version: LOL: China's government now admits Goguryeo is Korean.
The China Daily is a CCP controlled propaganda newspaper whom just recently posted this wonderful and hilarious little gem.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/2009-10/...ent_8831798.htm
Lol.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/2009-10/...ent_8831798.htm
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A wise move from the Chinese government. China has much more to gain with a correct view of history and further partnership with the two Korea's, which it has had a long-standing relationship with for several millennium. A continued correct view of history from the Chinese government is the first step towards more integrated Sino-Korean relations. As long as China continues to respect Korea's identity, both historic and contemporary, as well as, Korea's growing influence in the region, relations between the two countries should remain strong. Now, if we could only get the North Korean issue resolved, it would be rainbows and gumdrops moving forward.
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Don't show this to Lite XD.
Lite: Samsung is secretly paying the Chinese government and media to say its a Korean kingdom.
That's one step forward towards better relations and building trust, but there's still a long way to go.
I was happy to read that.
from what i've read of the north east project (which isn't much), there doesn't seem to be any direct contradiction between the 2..
plus.. a tourism column on China Daily (albeit a regulated agency) hardly counts as the official spokesperson for the PRC gov.
plus.. a tourism column on China Daily (albeit a regulated agency) hardly counts as the official spokesperson for the PRC gov.
QUOTE (orange peel @ Oct 25 2009, 09:05 PM) 
from what i've read of the north east project (which isn't much), there doesn't seem to be any direct contradiction between the 2..
plus.. a tourism column on China Daily (albeit a regulated agency) hardly counts as the official spokesperson for the PRC gov.
plus.. a tourism column on China Daily (albeit a regulated agency) hardly counts as the official spokesperson for the PRC gov.
Um... so you admit you know nothing about the North-East Project, yet you claim there is no contradiction? How does that make sense?
I don't think China claiming Koguryo to be a regional Chinese province is the same as an independent Korean kingdom.
The Chinese government stated Koguryo to be a Korean kingdom for many years on its official website when it suddenly deleted it in 2003 during the height of its North-East project. This was when China's academic circles started making outlandish distortions on Korean history.
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So true, you had high ranking government officials and practically every single Chinese historian and scholar placing Koguryo within Korean history. Then the North-East-Project came and Koguryo "mysteriously" became a Chinese kingdom.
Did you also know that the North-East-Project claims that Genghis Kahn was a Chinese person? Im not even joking. Thats how much credibility the Chinese government and their puppet scholars have.
So true, you had high ranking government officials and practically every single Chinese historian and scholar placing Koguryo within Korean history. Then the North-East-Project came and Koguryo "mysteriously" became a Chinese kingdom.
Did you also know that the North-East-Project claims that Genghis Kahn was a Chinese person? Im not even joking. Thats how much credibility the Chinese government and their puppet scholars have.
QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Oct 27 2009, 03:29 PM)
I don't think China claiming Koguryo to be a regional Chinese province is the same as an independent Korean kingdom.
actually that's exactly what i meant... there was no "independent" in the original passage.
What China's Northeast Project Is All About
China's "Northeast Project" is a national academic project whose aim is to confirm that northeastern China, including early Korean kingdoms that once were located there, has always been under the Middle Kingdom's control. Launched on Feb. 28, 2002, the project is run by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) and is carried out by the provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang. Over a five year period from 2002 to 2007, the project cost an astounding 20 billion yuan, though its conclusions have been hotly contested.
Due to its claim that the ancient Korean kingdom of Koguryo was part of China, the project met fierce resistance from Korea. While China had been excavating Koguryo tombs in Jian since 2001, its decision to publicize the project created friction between the two Asian powers. On June 24, 2003, a journal for the Communist Party of China, the Guangming Ribao, reported, "Koguryo was an ancient nation established by a Chinese minority tribe." In July of the following year, the Chinese Foreign Ministry made the same statement on its official website as the government embarked on a bid to register Koguryo remains as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
In the face of strong protests from the Korean government and civic groups, Beijing decided to back off from its irredentist claims. In August of 2004, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei visited Korea and made a five-point verbal agreement including a pledge that the Chinese government and state-run media would not seek any distortions of history. Shortly after, the Chinese Foreign Ministry deleted the articles on its website. In 2005, after a Chosun Ilbo report on the issue, the Chinese government removed a signboard at a Koguryo site in Jilin Province that claimed the Koguryo people, "did not share the same blood as the Korean people."
However, China has continued on with the project. Since 2004, it has been restoring the remains of Barhae, another early Korean Kingdom, in Heilongjiang and Jilin Provinces, in a bid to designate them as World Heritage Sites. Recently, the CASS website posted several papers that claim the Gija Chosun, Puyo, Koguryo and Barhae kingdoms as part of Chinese history and even that China's realm extended as far as Korea's Han River. For the 2007 Asian Winter Games at Changchun, China pointedly held its torch-lighting ceremony on the Chinese side of Mt. Baekdu, a landmark that is an important symbol of Korean identity.
While the Northeast Project appears to be a pretext for expanding China's borders, academics say Beijing's attempts to co-opt Korean history are part of a larger strategy that started in the 1980s. "China isn't making the claims just for historical reasons but for political reasons to claim dominion over North Korea in case of a changing political situation in the region," says Prof. Song Ki-ho of Seoul National University.
China's "Northeast Project" is a national academic project whose aim is to confirm that northeastern China, including early Korean kingdoms that once were located there, has always been under the Middle Kingdom's control. Launched on Feb. 28, 2002, the project is run by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) and is carried out by the provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang. Over a five year period from 2002 to 2007, the project cost an astounding 20 billion yuan, though its conclusions have been hotly contested.
Due to its claim that the ancient Korean kingdom of Koguryo was part of China, the project met fierce resistance from Korea. While China had been excavating Koguryo tombs in Jian since 2001, its decision to publicize the project created friction between the two Asian powers. On June 24, 2003, a journal for the Communist Party of China, the Guangming Ribao, reported, "Koguryo was an ancient nation established by a Chinese minority tribe." In July of the following year, the Chinese Foreign Ministry made the same statement on its official website as the government embarked on a bid to register Koguryo remains as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
In the face of strong protests from the Korean government and civic groups, Beijing decided to back off from its irredentist claims. In August of 2004, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei visited Korea and made a five-point verbal agreement including a pledge that the Chinese government and state-run media would not seek any distortions of history. Shortly after, the Chinese Foreign Ministry deleted the articles on its website. In 2005, after a Chosun Ilbo report on the issue, the Chinese government removed a signboard at a Koguryo site in Jilin Province that claimed the Koguryo people, "did not share the same blood as the Korean people."
However, China has continued on with the project. Since 2004, it has been restoring the remains of Barhae, another early Korean Kingdom, in Heilongjiang and Jilin Provinces, in a bid to designate them as World Heritage Sites. Recently, the CASS website posted several papers that claim the Gija Chosun, Puyo, Koguryo and Barhae kingdoms as part of Chinese history and even that China's realm extended as far as Korea's Han River. For the 2007 Asian Winter Games at Changchun, China pointedly held its torch-lighting ceremony on the Chinese side of Mt. Baekdu, a landmark that is an important symbol of Korean identity.
While the Northeast Project appears to be a pretext for expanding China's borders, academics say Beijing's attempts to co-opt Korean history are part of a larger strategy that started in the 1980s. "China isn't making the claims just for historical reasons but for political reasons to claim dominion over North Korea in case of a changing political situation in the region," says Prof. Song Ki-ho of Seoul National University.
QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Oct 25 2009, 08:15 AM)
Lite: Samsung is secretly paying the Chinese government and media to say its a Korean kingdom.
QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Oct 29 2009, 12:53 PM)
What China's Northeast Project Is All About
China's "Northeast Project" is a national academic project whose aim is to confirm that northeastern China, including early Korean kingdoms that once were located there, has always been under the Middle Kingdom's control. Launched on Feb. 28, 2002, the project is run by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) and is carried out by the provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang. Over a five year period from 2002 to 2007, the project cost an astounding 20 billion yuan, though its conclusions have been hotly contested.
Due to its claim that the ancient Korean kingdom of Koguryo was part of China, the project met fierce resistance from Korea. While China had been excavating Koguryo tombs in Jian since 2001, its decision to publicize the project created friction between the two Asian powers. On June 24, 2003, a journal for the Communist Party of China, the Guangming Ribao, reported, "Koguryo was an ancient nation established by a Chinese minority tribe." In July of the following year, the Chinese Foreign Ministry made the same statement on its official website as the government embarked on a bid to register Koguryo remains as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
In the face of strong protests from the Korean government and civic groups, Beijing decided to back off from its irredentist claims. In August of 2004, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei visited Korea and made a five-point verbal agreement including a pledge that the Chinese government and state-run media would not seek any distortions of history. Shortly after, the Chinese Foreign Ministry deleted the articles on its website. In 2005, after a Chosun Ilbo report on the issue, the Chinese government removed a signboard at a Koguryo site in Jilin Province that claimed the Koguryo people, "did not share the same blood as the Korean people."
However, China has continued on with the project. Since 2004, it has been restoring the remains of Barhae, another early Korean Kingdom, in Heilongjiang and Jilin Provinces, in a bid to designate them as World Heritage Sites. Recently, the CASS website posted several papers that claim the Gija Chosun, Puyo, Koguryo and Barhae kingdoms as part of Chinese history and even that China's realm extended as far as Korea's Han River. For the 2007 Asian Winter Games at Changchun, China pointedly held its torch-lighting ceremony on the Chinese side of Mt. Baekdu, a landmark that is an important symbol of Korean identity.
While the Northeast Project appears to be a pretext for expanding China's borders, academics say Beijing's attempts to co-opt Korean history are part of a larger strategy that started in the 1980s. "China isn't making the claims just for historical reasons but for political reasons to claim dominion over North Korea in case of a changing political situation in the region," says Prof. Song Ki-ho of Seoul National University.
China's "Northeast Project" is a national academic project whose aim is to confirm that northeastern China, including early Korean kingdoms that once were located there, has always been under the Middle Kingdom's control. Launched on Feb. 28, 2002, the project is run by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) and is carried out by the provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang. Over a five year period from 2002 to 2007, the project cost an astounding 20 billion yuan, though its conclusions have been hotly contested.
Due to its claim that the ancient Korean kingdom of Koguryo was part of China, the project met fierce resistance from Korea. While China had been excavating Koguryo tombs in Jian since 2001, its decision to publicize the project created friction between the two Asian powers. On June 24, 2003, a journal for the Communist Party of China, the Guangming Ribao, reported, "Koguryo was an ancient nation established by a Chinese minority tribe." In July of the following year, the Chinese Foreign Ministry made the same statement on its official website as the government embarked on a bid to register Koguryo remains as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
In the face of strong protests from the Korean government and civic groups, Beijing decided to back off from its irredentist claims. In August of 2004, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei visited Korea and made a five-point verbal agreement including a pledge that the Chinese government and state-run media would not seek any distortions of history. Shortly after, the Chinese Foreign Ministry deleted the articles on its website. In 2005, after a Chosun Ilbo report on the issue, the Chinese government removed a signboard at a Koguryo site in Jilin Province that claimed the Koguryo people, "did not share the same blood as the Korean people."
However, China has continued on with the project. Since 2004, it has been restoring the remains of Barhae, another early Korean Kingdom, in Heilongjiang and Jilin Provinces, in a bid to designate them as World Heritage Sites. Recently, the CASS website posted several papers that claim the Gija Chosun, Puyo, Koguryo and Barhae kingdoms as part of Chinese history and even that China's realm extended as far as Korea's Han River. For the 2007 Asian Winter Games at Changchun, China pointedly held its torch-lighting ceremony on the Chinese side of Mt. Baekdu, a landmark that is an important symbol of Korean identity.
While the Northeast Project appears to be a pretext for expanding China's borders, academics say Beijing's attempts to co-opt Korean history are part of a larger strategy that started in the 1980s. "China isn't making the claims just for historical reasons but for political reasons to claim dominion over North Korea in case of a changing political situation in the region," says Prof. Song Ki-ho of Seoul National University.
I don't think China is trying to claim dominion over North Korea. I think China is claiming land even further North up to Kamchatka and Russian lands to the annyoance of Vladimir Putin. The main goal for CHina is to validate the control of Manchuria as Chinese, since many historians dispute the fact that Manchuria was orginally a Chinese land, based on real artifacts and scrolls. The interesting thing is that Manchurian QING dynasty as well as other Manchurian dominated Chinese dynasties are probably well connected to this north Asian region. And of course Manchuria holds valuable raw materials that its Chinese citizens will increasingly consume in this interesing 21st century.
For me it looks like just a little break prior to thins like one more NEA project SEA project WA project e.t.c. till the whole their neighbourhood become revisionism ridden.
What differece does it make?? its still China's land. i am happy to see Chinese gov has finally realized its no use to spend enegery on aguring this useless historical shiit with some over passionated korean nationalists. Ok, it was yours land, happy now.
QUOTE (pangfei @ Nov 4 2009, 05:27 PM)
What differece does it make?? its still China's land. i am happy to see Chinese gov has finally realized its no use to spend enegery on aguring this useless historical shiit with some over passionated korean nationalists. Ok, it was yours land, happy now.
I seem to recall that communism is also a western ideology.
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QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Oct 24 2009, 08:28 PM)
A wise move from the Chinese government. China has much more to gain with a correct view of history and further partnership with the two Korea's, which it has had a long-standing relationship with for several millennium. A continued correct view of history from the Chinese government is the first step towards more integrated Sino-Korean relations. As long as China continues to respect Korea's identity, both historic and contemporary, as well as, Korea's growing influence in the region, relations between the two countries should remain strong. Now, if we could only get the North Korean issue resolved, it would be rainbows and gumdrops moving forward.
QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Nov 4 2009, 10:00 PM)
I seem to recall that communism is also a western ideology.
true but now PRC's practicing "socialism with Chinese characters"
no one really disagreed with that notion in the first place, and i really don't see how your reply connects with your quoted passage.
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