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Im seeing a Korean drama called Yun Geh Soe Moon who was a defense minister for the Gorguryo dynasty. Its written in Korean history that Yun geh soe moon shot an arrow through the eyes of the Tang dynasty king but in Chinese history, there was no mention of arrow but just that his eyes were hurt...was there a cover up because they were ashamed? Also its written in Korean history that he ate his own eye because he didnt want to leave anything on Gorguryo land
QUOTE(namjanurse7 @ Jul 22 2006, 01:05 AM) [snapback]2077125[/snapback]
Im seeing a Korean drama called Yun Geh Soe Moon who was a defense minister for the Gorguryo dynasty. Its written in Korean history that Yun geh soe moon shot an arrow through the eyes of the Tang dynasty king but in Chinese history, there was no mention of arrow but just that his eyes were hurt...was there a cover up because they were ashamed? Also its written in Korean history that he ate his own eye because he didnt want to leave anything on Gorguryo land
good question.
QUOTE(namjanurse7 @ Jul 22 2006, 01:05 AM) [snapback]2077125[/snapback]
Im seeing a Korean drama called Yun Geh Soe Moon who was a defense minister for the Gorguryo dynasty. Its written in Korean history that Yun geh soe moon shot an arrow through the eyes of the Tang dynasty king but in Chinese history, there was no mention of arrow but just that his eyes were hurt...was there a cover up because they were ashamed? Also its written in Korean history that he ate his own eye because he didnt want to leave anything on Gorguryo land
he ate his own eye? did they write how it tasted as well?
QUOTE(namjanurse7 @ Jul 22 2006, 01:05 AM) [snapback]2077125[/snapback]
Im seeing a Korean drama called Yun Geh Soe Moon who was a defense minister for the Gorguryo dynasty. Its written in Korean history that Yun geh soe moon shot an arrow through the eyes of the Tang dynasty king but in Chinese history, there was no mention of arrow but just that his eyes were hurt...was there a cover up because they were ashamed? Also its written in Korean history that he ate his own eye because he didnt want to leave anything on Gorguryo land
The high emperor Li Yuan? I've heard no such thing.
You're going to need something more than a Korean drama to back up that assertion.
I think he is talking about Tang taizong Li shimin son of Li yuan.
According to Korean history Taizong was shot in the eye and retreated.
There is no mention of this in Chinese history, however it seems that it was possible there was an coverup.
This is mainly due to the strange excuse tang history gives for abandoning the Koguryo campaign and subsequent illness Taizong got then his death at age of only 50 less then 2 years after the Koguryo campaign.
Another thing was Tang military's treatment of prisoners, All the captured Koguryo soldiers were treated kindly and most were simply released however the captured Malgals(Mohe) were all slaughtered non were spared, Malgals were famed archers and used extremely deadly poison tipped arrows, so its possible that Tang taizong was hit by malgal poison arrow that eventually might have ended his life, though there is no evidence as Tang history denies this.
BTW as for Taizong eating his own eye, thats just too fantastic to be believable, especially if he was hit by a POISONED arrow shot by blackwater Malgals.
According to Korean history Taizong was shot in the eye and retreated.
There is no mention of this in Chinese history, however it seems that it was possible there was an coverup.
This is mainly due to the strange excuse tang history gives for abandoning the Koguryo campaign and subsequent illness Taizong got then his death at age of only 50 less then 2 years after the Koguryo campaign.
Another thing was Tang military's treatment of prisoners, All the captured Koguryo soldiers were treated kindly and most were simply released however the captured Malgals(Mohe) were all slaughtered non were spared, Malgals were famed archers and used extremely deadly poison tipped arrows, so its possible that Tang taizong was hit by malgal poison arrow that eventually might have ended his life, though there is no evidence as Tang history denies this.
BTW as for Taizong eating his own eye, thats just too fantastic to be believable, especially if he was hit by a POISONED arrow shot by blackwater Malgals.
QUOTE(namjanurse7 @ Jul 22 2006, 02:05 AM) [snapback]2077125[/snapback]
Im seeing a Korean drama called Yun Geh Soe Moon who was a defense minister for the Gorguryo dynasty. Its written in Korean history that Yun geh soe moon shot an arrow through the eyes of the Tang dynasty king but in Chinese history, there was no mention of arrow but just that his eyes were hurt...was there a cover up because they were ashamed? Also its written in Korean history that he ate his own eye because he didnt want to leave anything on Gorguryo land
any link to the drama or any book that talk about that incident ( especially ancient korean book)? i want to know more about that too.
QUOTE(MING-LOYALIST @ Jul 22 2006, 06:51 AM) [snapback]2077779[/snapback]
I think he is talking about Tang taizong Li shimin son of Li yuan.
According to Korean history Taizong was shot in the eye and retreated.
There is no mention of this in Chinese history, however it seems that it was possible there was an coverup.
This is mainly due to the strange excuse tang history gives for abandoning the Koguryo campaign and subsequent illness Taizong got then his death at age of only 50 less then 2 years after the Koguryo campaign.
Another thing was Tang military's treatment of prisoners, All the captured Koguryo soldiers were treated kindly and most were simply released however the captured Malgals(Mohe) were all slaughtered non were spared, Malgals were famed archers and used extremely deadly poison tipped arrows, so its possible that Tang taizong was hit by malgal poison arrow that eventually might have ended his life, though there is no evidence as Tang history denies this.
BTW as for Taizong eating his own eye, thats just too fantastic to be believable, especially if he was hit by a POISONED arrow shot by blackwater Malgals.
Who were these Malgals? What is their Chinese name?
most likely this story was inspired by Xiahou Dun, a real life Chinese general in the Three Kingdoms era whose eyes were shot by an arrow, and he ated it.
In Xin Tang Shu (新唐書/New Book of the Tang Dynasty), Tang Taizong was hit by a Mohe (靺鞨)/Malgal (말갈) arrow. So he decided to executed/buried alive 3,000 Mohe/Malgal because of the arrow. He spared Koguryo people's life.
In Zizhi Tongjian (資治通鑒/Comprehensive Mirror to Aid in Government), Tang Taizong withdrew from Anshi because of bad weather and lack of supplies. (This could be the cover-up for Tang Taizong's wound). He also suffered poisoned sore or ulcer. (It's obviously from the poisoned arrow)
Poisoned arrows can be found in Mohe/Malgal and Xiongnu. It's poisoned with toxin Aconitum Carmichaleli (in ancient Chinese, it's called Wutou/Black head).
If he got hit in the eye with that arrow, he would be already dead before withdrawing from Anshi!
About Taizong eating his own eye, it's obvious that you misheard between Taizong and Xiahou Dun (Three Kingdoms of China). In the novel, Xiahou Dun got hit by the arrow in the eye and ate the eye. But historically, he never eat his eye.
In Zizhi Tongjian (資治通鑒/Comprehensive Mirror to Aid in Government), Tang Taizong withdrew from Anshi because of bad weather and lack of supplies. (This could be the cover-up for Tang Taizong's wound). He also suffered poisoned sore or ulcer. (It's obviously from the poisoned arrow)
Poisoned arrows can be found in Mohe/Malgal and Xiongnu. It's poisoned with toxin Aconitum Carmichaleli (in ancient Chinese, it's called Wutou/Black head).
If he got hit in the eye with that arrow, he would be already dead before withdrawing from Anshi!
About Taizong eating his own eye, it's obvious that you misheard between Taizong and Xiahou Dun (Three Kingdoms of China). In the novel, Xiahou Dun got hit by the arrow in the eye and ate the eye. But historically, he never eat his eye.
QUOTE(MING-LOYALIST @ Jul 22 2006, 06:51 AM) [snapback]2077779[/snapback]
I think he is talking about Tang taizong Li shimin son of Li yuan.
According to Korean history Taizong was shot in the eye and retreated.
There is no mention of this in Chinese history, however it seems that it was possible there was an coverup.
This is mainly due to the strange excuse tang history gives for abandoning the Koguryo campaign and subsequent illness Taizong got then his death at age of only 50 less then 2 years after the Koguryo campaign.
Another thing was Tang military's treatment of prisoners, All the captured Koguryo soldiers were treated kindly and most were simply released however the captured Malgals(Mohe) were all slaughtered non were spared, Malgals were famed archers and used extremely deadly poison tipped arrows, so its possible that Tang taizong was hit by malgal poison arrow that eventually might have ended his life, though there is no evidence as Tang history denies this.
BTW as for Taizong eating his own eye, thats just too fantastic to be believable, especially if he was hit by a POISONED arrow shot by blackwater Malgals.
Well Taizong certainly wasn't the first emperor of Tang.
Ignorance is bliss.
the guy who start this thread apparently don't want to show those old korean books that talk about this incident.
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